Sailing Yacht

Ep 50 Cruising Sailboats: Amel Super Maramu vs Oyster 485 (Sailing Talisman)





We get a comprehensive tour of the Amel Super Maramu, a vintage bluewater cruiser. This is the boat produced famed by Brian and the relaxation of the crew on s/v Delos, and is significantly beloved around the world. Of class we experienced to demonstrate off Talisman much too.

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35 comments

  1. Amel, Poor design not being able to get to the engine room from Down Below in case you're in Heavy Seas breaking waves

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  2. Cool

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  3. great video, good comments

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  4. excellent tour of thec Amel….thank you.

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  5. Great review but I did notice a couple of (relatively unimportant) inaccuracies on your review of the Super Maramu:

    1) The standard autopilot was a chain drive off the wheel as you point out but most Super Maramu's have a second autopilot drive which is mounted directly to the rudder post (I'd be surprised if they didn't have it as well). The idea is that you use the rudder post autopilot through the day and the wheel based one at night to reduce noise in the aft cabin – since heat is the enemy of these, it means that they see half the wear on the a/p plus it builds in some much needed redundancy on such a critical system – as most cruising boats spend most of their time on A/P.

    2) It wasn't clear but above the batteries, is a similar pilot berth to yours. Very comfortable at sea as it is near the pitch/yaw axis of the boat (least motion). When lying in it, the hatch into the cockpit allows you to see the helm instruments so it's a great spot for being on/off watch.

    3) The batteries on the Super Maramu are 12V in series vs the 6 volt you mentioned. He had put in 8 12V batteries in a 4×2 configuration (plus the one 12V for starting the engine & generator). I didn't check his amperages but I'm guessing his house capacity is around 480-600Amps at 24V as that's pretty typical for an early Super Maramu. Later ones had space for 2 more batteries.

    4) The tiles on the countertop aren't made of linoleum but are real ceramic. Later SM's have Corian countertops (but most of those come with the blue floors like Delos so it's a coin toss).

    5) While the wires/cables are generally free over the access points, they are in conduit between them. This makes it really easy to pull cables as each run is typically less than 8' and has only one bend.

    You really hit on the high points and advantages/disadvantages of both boats and did a great job of differentiating between them and between them and high volume standard charter/weekend type boats (and the reasons why). I'd love to see more of these. Especially from a maintainability/ease of upgrading standpoint. Like you, I think the real competition in this sector is Amel/Oyster/Halberg-Rassy.

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  6. Great vid. The Hylas 46 would be another great vid comparison to your boat.

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  7. very good review. i like the Amel but the oyster looked better inside. that may just be your finishing touches. anyway you would be happy with either.

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  8. They make them in sloop version???

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  9. Where is Talisman ?

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  10. Nice video….. For value comparison I give the maramu the thumbs up…..There's just so many things I love about this Sail Boat…. Cockpit/Helm for 1… Looks so safe and comfortable especially for night passages…… Although after watching SV Delos's YouTube channel for a while now….. The maintenance on the Super Maramu is quite a lot to deal with….. I mean certain maintenance issues that are repetitious that shouldn't have to be is what I'm trying to say …… With that being said, The Maramu is a very fast and safe, Comfortable Blue Water World Class Cruiser. Your Oyster is also very beautiful. Thank you….. Signed new Subscriber.

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  11. Carloforte. Nice

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  12. Amel's master cabin has more headroom over the bed which makes it more sex friendly.

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  13. Give me the Amel with the Oyster dinning area and galley.

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  14. isn´t this the same boat as delos?

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  15. amel nice boats but the s drive system can be a worry

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  16. This boat is amazing and the people are maticulas how well take care of u can tell how she sead its dirty haha it was clean as a wistel and tidey

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  17. Everyone talks about how "unique" the Amel's are. Other than the engine room, I'm not sure I understand why people call them a "love 'em or hate 'em" boat. Slightly different floor plan, ketch rig, neither of those is so unusual. Thanks.

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  18. Gardner engines did cease production , but i use their rebuild facility Walshes that are in the old Gardner buildings so spares are available .

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  19. This guy's into toys. Bigtime!

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  20. His name was Henreeeee. Not Henray.

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  21. You never mention the Nautor Swan 's they have been a benchmark for quality for years ?

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  22. A very interesting tour. Thanks so much for giving your insights into these two fantastic vessels, I;ve learned a great deal from watching this and your earlier searches. I hope you'll keep on making these reviews for people like myself who are considering buying tinto the cruising lifestyle, you have a great way of showing those details many would overlook.

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  23. Love the Amel the 55 and 64 are by far my favourite blue water cruising boats.

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  24. Reference Elley Grey , Jib ,stay sail ,and 1000 sq ft square sail are electric , gaffs are alloy so very light , and a real engine room , with 2/10 kva generators and a beautiful Gardner 6LXBM main engine even a jaccusi under the after deck for five people !

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  25. Have a look a Elley Grey a grp St.Malo pilot cutter replica from 1896 , delivered in 2012 built to cruise the world with speed comfort and safety better equipped better built stunning boat for a couple to cruse the world , and for sale

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  26. Love watching all of your videos as you are very informative pointing out both pros and cons from your expansive knowledge. Have now subscribe enjoying the learning curve looking forward to further travels but more so the educational side of both life on board with your experiences of maintenance, upkeep on board and the constant work e.g. using the vinegar to keep the scaling down in the manual toilets. These small tidbits albeit basic and probably common knowledge to the experienced are like diamonds to the novice. Thank you again.

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  27. Is the hull of the oyster a sandwich laminat with balsacore?

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  28. I think the Super Maramu ist the peak of all the Amels to this day.

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  29. I must say that I love both boats. I like the center cockpit layout more than the aft twin steering stations on boats like the Benetau because you have better protection from the elements if you need it. I love the ketch rigging because it gives you lots of sailing alternatives. The pilot station in the Amel is great for long passages and it is well protected but I prefer to have the capability of going open like in the Oyster, when the weather is great. The modern Amel has a sliding roof panel that extends to the stern but the pilot area remains too "enclosed". Instead of the new rounded windshield I would make it square with the capability of lowering forward the half section in front of the helm. I would also make the hatch in the roof bigger. But like you said, if I go to Amel with these ideas they would tell me to go and buy a Benetau or go and convert the Oyster into a ketch.

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  30. very respectful and full of good information.

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  31. Nice & informative video. Thanks! 🙂

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  32. For open ocean cruising…the enclosed center cockpit wins for me….so its amel all the way..i love all the boats for different reasons..if i was just day cruising i would pick a stern steering boat but for long passages in 30 foot seas its amel all the way.

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  33. Thanks for videos. Does anybody know the model of the yacht(silver deck saloon)? https://youtu.be/XW7AzYlVG6g

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  34. Where does a Garcia compare with these boats?

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  35. Excellent video, plethora of information.  Good stuff, thank you.

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