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The Ultimate Cruising Yacht? | Sailing Knowledge [S3 Ep49]





It’s time to assess a Pogo 12.fifty to our Plastic Basic Morgan forty five! A close friend has invited us to appear sailing on a racer cruiser. It’s a very distinct expertise from what we are employed to! In this video clip, we incorporate footage of our experience on the Pogo though we mirror on the differences concerning racers and gradual total keel boats, electric powered and diesel motors, and aged vs new. We give a tour of each inside and exterior the Pogo and go over sail styles, cruising styles, and electronics on board. We cannot wait to listen to what you have to share in the responses!

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30 comments

  1. I would think it would take a very special person to want to sail this boat on trans Atlantic type passages, etc. I can see it as a day/weekend sailer, but not much longer. Maybe a Med yacht? That's just me… And yes, that open transom is scary. I would want to be double clipped in all the time, and likely want to wear a wet suit all the time as well just in case I get tossed overboard! lol But on the other hand, on a large lake, or maybe the Caribbean, maybe it becomes more appealing.

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  2. I will take slow and heavy if it is big and comfortable. If it is on the smaller size it better point well and sail in light wind. No heavy slow with no head room and an outboard. I do like diesel engines with enough horse power to go into wind and current.

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  3. What do you think about flying a cargo parachute from the anchor windlass for downwind ?

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  4. The Pogo is a beautiful boat; But I will still take an older heavy and a little slower classic any day. One reason we chose the Columbia 50 was the tank like construction and weight; 23 net tonnes. Day G. Fire Starter with S.V. Magnolia

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  5. I look forward to hearing more about your mainsail. Thanks for all of the interesting videos. Wishing you fair winds and following seas.

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  6. 🙂

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  7. Oh my gosh. Hearing how you can type a command to change the course by ten degrees and the auto helm steers to that position is a little MUCH! I hope the owners of the Pogo can sail her without the electronics and engine. I'd take being in your boat on a windy day any day over the Pogo 12.5. The light one design boats geared for racing are about as uncomfortable as you can get when sailing in any kind of wind.

    Boats like yours were designed for SEAWORTHINESS and CLASS. Here is a comparison of both boats from Sailboatdata.com if people are interested. https://sailboatdata.com/compare/results?utm_source=lab&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=compare From looking at just your boat with its long keel, it isn't hard to imagine how it can glide through the water while slicing the waves in a storm as opposed to the slapping and banging and splashing that goes on with the new designs like the Pogo that are so boxy with such a flat bottom. Here is the rendering of your boat. https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/morgan-45

    Many of the older boats were also designed for speed. Nathaniel Herreshoff designed the 12 meters that for years were what was sailed in the America's Cup races. He designed one designs like the S-boats, Herreshoff 12 1/2 (that JFK sailed in), New York Yacht Club 40 s and more!

    Our family always owned Herreshoff designed boats. When I sailed a J-22 for the first time, I experienced what you are talking about compared to what the experience was like on our full keeled boats where people enjoyed large deep comfortable cockpits and protection from some of the spray. Not to mention, you'll always get a lot of compliments from others as they admire the sleek pretty lines of your boat.

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  8. I have a plastic classic Pearson Wanderer

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  9. I have sailed all kinds of boats, from "plastic classics" to light displacement racing boats. They all can be fun in the right conditions! People certainly have a lot of bias when it comes to what makes the "optimal" blue water boat. One of the main differences in the boat styles is how added weight impacts performance and the storm tactics that might be needed in serious weather. More traditional boats might do better while heaving to than light weight modern racers. Modern racers may require more active methods to survive bad storms. One concern that I have had watching your very interesting videos is the amount of "stuff" you guys have both on deck and down below. Everything can and will at some point become a missile if not secured well. Imagine rolling in 30-40 ft waves!

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  10. OK so check this out… https://youtu.be/0B5vqHxJWwg 20+ knots on our trimaran – and a link to the channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZY3s9n7WO8xtni-qx5km7Q

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  11. I like the in-between boat. Sloop with a long fin keel and skeg hung rudder. Displacement of 7 tons  at 35 feet with a 50% weight to ballast ratio. This provides a good turn of speed balanced with stability.

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  12. Great video. For me our boat is a home first and for most. At the marina where I am parked for the time being some people have two boats for the mixture of experiences. Sailing Florence have a sailing tender which they use well for the “go-boat” experience. I am of that mind.

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  13. I'm sorry, guys. A true racer would not have those cushions down below adding to the weight. You can still lead the lines aft on a cruising boat. In fact, it can be looked at as a safety issue to be able to do almost everything from inside the cockpit. I have raced on an X-99, which was a lot of fun, but true racers are a different breed of sailor.

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  14. Oddly, those racers do nothing for me. I find sail races incredibly boring. Give me a slow, cozy sailboat any day. Or catamaran, which is what I am currently leaning towards because I am old and love creature comforts.

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  15. I grew up flying with my dad, soloed before I had a driver’s license, etc. What made that possible for middle-class, not-rich folk were the immediate postwar tube & rag classics that at the time cost less than a new, entry level car. Aircraft like the Piper Cub – most people are familiar with that one.

    The rented plane that I trained in was a 65hp Aeronca Champ, & my dad bought a far nicer example of it that my folks flew & toured with for many years. That class of plane cruises at around 70 knots. 35 knots of airspeed was a good landing speed & that could be nearly nothing over the ground with a good headwind. We’re talking about airplanes that can literally be backed up in the air. What I ended up with was a Piper PA-12 SuperCruiser. That airplane, in our world, is a speed demon at a cruise of 90 knots with a stall speed of around 45 knots. It’s greatest appeal for me was the width of the fuselage. My dad’s plane was tandem seating & mine was too, but his was a snug fit for two & I could get both of my girls in the back.

    Of course a lot of people fly the fastest aircraft they can afford & will repeatedly step up to higher performance options as they improve their finances. Those guys tend to do a lot of trash talking in hangers & airport restaurants, & even on the radio if they happen to be waiting for an old Champ or Cub to lumber through a slowwwww landing against a headwind.

    My question has always been “if y’all like to fly so much, why are you in such a damn big hurry to get there?”

    The great thing about cruising, or flying, or mountain climbing or any other such thing is that you can do it your way. Nobody else needs to like it or do it themselves, they can go do their own thing in their own time & in their own way.

    That doesn’t mean that a Lear Jet ride with my flight instructor wasn’t fun – especially when she started barrel rolling it. The fact that our drinks stayed put on the table was an impressive testament to her skill.

    I’m glad you two had a chance to try a different boat. Now that you have, what’s your preference?

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  16. Going fast is fun, but it's hard to smell the roses at 12 knots…just sayin'. Steady on mateys!

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  17. Kind of amusing how much undeserved backhanded compliments are being levied at the Pogo from some viewer comments.

    No effort to compare the form stability, keel depth, AVS, ballast to displacement ratio. Ability to plane in a gust and reduce pressure instead of excessive heel or rounding up.

    Instead it is always the Anglo-American myth about heavy displacement being a proxy for seaworthiness. No one wants to hard ground or hit a container. The Pogo has bow and rudder bulkheads so it is moot regardless.

    Nice video tho!

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  18. Super fast boats can die a super fast death. Unless you have the mental acuity to always focus on the boat like a laser, things can go bad fast. I prefer the full keel boat for it's safety and durability!!!

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  19. YES! The kind of sailing I want to do is In Between you and your Friend. I want a FAST Monohull, because I'm not very Patient. I can Poke Along with a TURTLE, but if somebody Mentions a Destination, then Let's ROCK AND ROLL! Clear the Way, Comin' THROUGH! After learning to Drive in a '69 RoadRunner, and 25 years of Trucking, and a childhood full of Hard-Running ponies and horses, I can't HANDLE Slow. Enough amenities Aboard to make it Decently Comfortable, (I don't really Need MUCH), and when I'm In a Hurry, or On A Mission, I can Bust 10 Knots for Extended periods. And it don't Matter WHAT manner of Transport I'm in, it MUST Handle Quick and Responsively, from horses to cars to Big Trucks to Boats and Airplanes. If I can't Have FUN in or on it, I don't need it. And with a Fast Boat, you CAN Poke Along and Relax. On a Slow Boat, that's all you CAN Do. I think it's the Lack of Choice that I really can't abide. In the Old RoadRunner, I COULD Chug Along at the Speed Limit, AND I Could Hit 135 in a couple heartbeats IF I WANTED TO. Same with most of the Big Trucks I drove, though some were Gutless, Weak, Slow TURDS, and I found another Job ASAP. Did you two get any Ideas for Wisdom from your Little excursion, LOL?! MY ass would have been Taking Notes and Drawing Schematics, LMAO! At LEAST on the Reefing system, and the Aft-led lines. ANYTHING to make the Job Easier, Faster, and More Efficient. And SAFER in a Blow. I have Zero Doubts that a Rigger of your Expertise could easily Modernize or Maximize a good bit Without messing up Wisdom's Classic Look. Besides, you'll eventually Get OLD, lol! With creaky, crackly joints and not so much Beef on them bones, ….

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  20. Just watched a recent video from the wynns and its a sobering reminder that KISS principle is important for cruising.
    I expect the Pogo will break stuff as much as the next boat but the less you have , and need on board because you do fast passages means the less you have to fix……
    Cheers Warren
    Here's the video….
    https://youtu.be/kPPsyZXc7GU

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  21. There is nothing wrong with having a conservative style of sailing/cruising. But I also enjoy racing and sailing fast. I'm impressed that the Pogo Owner is using it for some long distance cruising, they are defiantly built for offshore racing . I think 'Pogo' started with being the first production the 21' mini transit singlehanded boats. those mini transits make the 40 look conservative!
    A couple of major difference in your discussion you hinted at is that the sailing part of the cruising is going to be challenging or exciting part of the cruise in a performance boat where as on the ' classic plastic' you are going to be enjoying the destination more than the sailing trip. But in the performance boat you can enjoy the sailing trip AND have more time and go to more destinations. A trade off you have to decide on. You will probably be more comfortable at your destination on the 'Classic plastic' because of all the amenities you brought with you.
    The other big difference is with the performance boat and much shorter passages you will need much less on board, less food and water, clothing etc which with keep the boat light and fast!
    I'm glad you got to sail the Pogo , just sorry you did not get a 10-15 knot blasting reach to get the adrenaline really flowing!
    Cheers Warren

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  22. I'm sorry, i'll take the casual crusin stile

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  23. Your description of heeling, ballast, draw and speed of monohulls makes me appreciate my little trimaran.
    She won't heel more than 10 degrees, cruises over 10 kts in light winds and you can beach her on the sand. She's also self-tacking and self-gybing with little drama.
    Hopefully I can start building my 13 meter trimaran some time next year so I actually can have a berth, galley, head and the ability to hit 25 kts. 🙂 Your boat will be able to carry 4 weeks of provisions. My boat will be able to make it to a grocery shop every two weeks.

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  24. Hi you guys, the Pogo reminds me of the boats that race the Volvo Ocean race, I've been watching videos of those races and wow the people and the boats are really amazing

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  25. I for one am in no hurry, I'm retired, and finally enjoying life everyday in my water-home… I like having my stuff with me and living in comfort, so I'll stick with a full keel ketchup sailboat, I doubt I'll ever live on land again… now to find a man who will separate from the herd… and explore this planet….

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  26. Well you can take your home with you and still be relativly quick in a Cat – but that is of cause combined with increased cost

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  27. Good job guys, if you know what I mean.
    Just back from a 3 week sailing vacation with the wife and kids. Cool and relaxed Island hopping between Athens and the Turkish coast.

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  28. More appealing than a Bente 39, but still no. Except for u boot bow on the Bente…. That's cool.

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  29. I've sailed many different boats and must say that the Oyster 56 is my favourite.
    Heavy displacement (33 metric tons empty) and fast easy does 9 knots in 20 knots of wind (beam reach).
    And they are beautiful boats on the outside and inside.

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  30. A tad jealous – that Pogo is gorgeous! Have to say though that W-I-D-E open transom would terrify me on an open ocean crossing. One good wave across the bow could sweep you out and gone in a blink!

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