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LAGOON CATAMARANS: We Eventually Went To The &#39Darkish Aspect&#39! | Sailing Vlog 81 | Sailing Ruby Rose





Yeeeeaaah we did!

This 7 days we sailed our friend’s Lagoon 400 catamaran and, believe it or not, we had some views about it. I know, shocker.

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48 comments

  1. Leave us a comment with your thoughts on Monohull VS Catamaran for a long term liveaboard.

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  2. Once you go cat you never go back… If upwind performance is such a deal breaker, buy one with the daggerboard.

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  3. Loved the music in this video

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  4. I've only monohull sailed, but my wife and I after watching all these videos, after sitting around wondering what our lives are going to really be… have sold our home, have moved to Seabrook TX and are in the process now of finding a broker, finding our owner version CAT, and starting our own adventure into the world of blue water sailing and all due to this couple, and a couple others out there… that have done this already, to see where the heck we'll end up going, and seeing, and doing. Just wanted to say thank you both of you. Will take a little bit to begin this journey, to get licensed, to get insured, to get moving lol but heck what could be better in life than just taking off and doing it? Thank you both!

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  5. Guys don't do it….nooooo

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  6. Oddly enough, I saw this video linked right after I watched your video Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose, thought you might appreciate it.

    https://youtu.be/VMxuCGl1v2s

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  7. My diatribes are longer, and, better than yours.

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  8. Just in case I was going OTT/OCD – about YouTube vids – I watched BBC News channel. And, what did I see? A travel programme about somewhere in America {?} – and, the lady with an American accent, said: "Are you ready to go down?" It was about 'submersibles'. The lady asked her question in a lewd, and, lascivious manner.
    I'm not going to watch tv/telly ever again. And, I will not pay my television licence fee. There's quite enough smut, nowadays. One does not expect this from the BBC. YouTube is more wholesome. Please keep it up. I do understand that in warm/hot/tropical areas that ladies may feel inclined to uncover themselves. My Scottish, Baptist, grandfather would have approved of YouTube: not least because he spent hours in his study poring over magazines containing images of natives, as God made them. When he sailed the seven seas he never tried to impose different cultural values upon anyone.

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  9. Gosh! I'm all caught up with your vids. 'Sailing Pilgrim' was fascinating. Great French folk. 'Sail Life' has been away. 'Ran Sailing' moves me. Good vids on lots of subjects. Impossible to choose a 'favourite'. 'Sailing Florence' is fabulous. Please keep going with your professionalism/humour/aesthetic delight – so that I may learn/enjoy more.

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  10. Have always loved the super maramu Amel and the new 50 but still $

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  11. From the point of view of a neutral observer- I saw more relaxation and enjoyment while on board the cat. And Nick? Don't worry that you will be looked down on as "less of a sailor" should you choose the cat!

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  12. Love you two so down to Earth…

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  13. Being a non-sailing novice, love the channel as ive said before, please explain what some basic sailing terms are, wind behind the beam and in front of the beam? You said these give differant performance from a monohull and cat. Even though im a non-sailer, i completely understood your comments about feeling the monohull and its trim settings and feeling the trim setting changes on the boat, whereas on the cat it just had no soul and just sat there without the feel when adjusting trim. Thanks. Oh and really appreciate your scoring criteria as you visit and evaluate the Cats you visit recently. Hope to see lots more.

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  14. This subject has been done to death on Youtube videos, with all sorts of speculative stuff about pitchpoling in the southern ocean, despite few boats actually going there, and of course talk of which is faster: if you want to go round the world fast then fly. There's no simple logic in boat choice. For me those big production cats don't have any appeal (neither do cruising monos) but if you are stuck on board at anchor for days I can see the appeal. What I can't accept is the use of the phrase "reach out", unless you are quoting the Four Tops.

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  15. I'll be getting a cat even though I'm a dog person
    Cats are the way to go
    I'll be looking for the
    We should of bought a cat years a go vid soon

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  16. The CNB 66 would be my choice for a mono. My wife would take convincing but my two girls would are sold.

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  17. @Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose >>> Since multihulls do not have weighted keels, I think a BETTER name for this video should have included "The Light [weight] Side"… 😝😝😝

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  18. Simple solution, carry a large sailing dink mebbe a nesting two piece design, as yer hangin' on the hook 90% a well found tender opens every nook.

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  19. As an owner of a fast cruising cat capable of 20 plus knots I agree with everything you said however, if you are prepared to pay a premium, you can have speed and comfort.

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  20. A cat not known for it's sailing performance? Curious. Stability questions from some quarters, yes, performance, you had 10 tons in the berths??? Very curious???
    Cheers

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  21. Darkside would be a Nordhaven,lol! I've heard from local sailors that Lagoon Cats are total junk. French cats seem to have a bad rep for stuff breaking down. I don't have any research to back that up but a friend of mine that owns a Leopard is ready to get rid of it soon with all the work he's had to do, and when I asked about getting a Lagoon he said stay away from those. He's been sailing 40 years and has owned several boats including a Jeneau, and he fixes everything on his boats that go bad from the factory so he knows a thing or two. Anyways imo go with a Sunreef, Privilege maybe a Leopard before you go with a Lagoon

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  22. You lost me

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  23. I think you mean soliloquy rather than diatribe. Just being pedantic.

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  24. In general, I think diehard monohull sailors overthink the whole cat versus monohull argument. Fact is, cats go wherever monohulls go, and then some. The movement of a cat is different, yes, but nothing you can't get used to. A "performance catamaran" is under most circumstances absolutely quicker than a monohull of comparable length, and in fact even heavier and less performance-oriented cats are, I think, usually marginally faster. Personally I don't really think sailing behaviour and sail handling on a cat etc will present any problems to someone who is used to sailing monohulls. The one really BIG difference a cat makes is in terms of livability. There simply cannot be an argument over that. And as mentioned in this vid, most people actually spend a lot more of their on-board life on a mooring. In the long run, a cat will make you feel much less claustrophobic. For long-term living on board of a small vessel, I simply don't think you can beat a well-appointed cat!

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  25. I'm curious why you are even considering a new boat.

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  26. I would love to see an Antares review

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  27. Another wonderful and informative video. Love your channel, keep up the amazing work

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  28. Now now kids, let’s not argue lol

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  29. I love y’alls videos!! The humor is the best.

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  30. I'm very torn over mono vs. multi. I have romantic feelings about a monohull. To me it is "real" sailing. That said, if you're a live aboard sailor, a Catamaran is like an apartment at sea. Stable, typically faster (not that I'm in a hurry). I hope you two eventually take the plunge. My wife and I value your input, and if it turns out to be a bad decision, we will learn from your mistakes!!!! Cheers to you! Love watching you two and learning from you!

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  31. It sounds like it's apples and oranges. I guess it really comes down to the space and livability of a catamaran over sailing, right? I would think that if you live on a boat, comfort and safety is going to be of utmost import. By your account, catamarans perform well with wind abeam and astern, but if one is a sailing purist, I would think they wouldn't want one. To be clear, this is coming from someone who hasn't sailed yet – just my thoughts. Great channel! 🙂

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  32. please check out the Neel 42 or 47 or 51

    any thoughts on trimarans ?

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  33. Thank you very much for the videos, really like them! Despite being a prof sailor appreciate you personal view and feel of things:)) and seeing places I’ve been to from other’s eyes :)) But, a reason for my comment is other – to be really serious – nothing beats a modern mono in open water. Try a ultra modern mono – meaning wide, twin rudder deep t-keel – let’s say performance cruiser, you will experience different motion at sea/waves etc. As 3 meter keel with 40% ballast bulb changes everything. For instance, on a mooring the motion is up/ down only, not rolling:)) Performance cats are superior just in two areas – on a beam reach and anchor:)) As we consider boats a compromise, a quality performance mono is winning, and for the cost of quality mid-sized cat you will get super mono, and long term value as well…

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  34. Get the cat 😂

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  35. Love you guys! They're monologues, not diatribes :). Thanks heaps for your cat experiences. With love, Ken

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  36. sounds like ATTICUS

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  37. If you get a chance, definitely check out the FP Astrea 42 too, it's currently on the top of my cat list 😉

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  38. Love your Chanel. Don’t forget the Leopard cat. Lagoon & Foutaine are great as well.

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  39. Definitely ——Definitely—— research Privilege Catamarans also. You will be amazed at the difference in quality. No comparison.

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  40. Dark side, lol…

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  41. Charter Captain point of view: people all learn on monos and then plan to buy a catamaran. No one seems to care about sailing characteristics. Cats sail like old fashioned square riggers. But… everyone wants to have the sundowner on a cat. Me, I'm still a mono-guy which is probably just an age thing. I don't think I know one person who planning to voyage on a mono.

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  42. She did run on…

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  43. I am a converted Cat Sailor (for 20 years), I now run a charter company in the UK sailing and chartering Mono hulls and Cats, last year we did a charter for a client with a Lagoon 39 (2016) a Nautitech Open 40 (2016) and a Hanse 505 (2014) up wind there was only one winner…the Hanse! But that's where the mono hull's gloating stopped. Off the wind the Cats came into their own, but the difference in performance between the Lagoon and the Nautitech was the most enlightening, I was on the Lagoon and had to boost my performance with the engine to keep up with the Open 40. But then on the flip side the Lagoon won on space and accommodation, easily the best of all three, yet the shortest boat…So as it has been mentioned before…there are always compromises. We have a 'try before you buy' programme to encourage people to experience cat sailing before taking the plunge of yacht ownership, this is a worth while thing to do, as Ruby Rose are doing now…Keep trying guys, you WILL move to the dark side…its just a question of time! Great Videos.

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  44. Outremer Outremer Outremer.

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  45. That's the boat we delivered!

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  46. The slamming is commonly referred to as "slap" and slap is a very common occurrence for catamarans, look for a cat with high clearance ie, privilege or fountaine pajot or sunreef. 😊😊

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  47. I think the question I have is, 40’ cat or 60+’ mono… I mean if we are speaking dollar for dollar?

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  48. We chartered a Jeanneau 409 in the Bahamas a few weeks ago that developed so many problems that they upgraded us to a Lagoon 39 which was our first kick at the Cat so to speak. It was an easy transition but as you noted, there isn't a lot of feedback to tell you how close to the limits you are running so I ran what I think was quite a conservative sail plan based on the numbers provided to us (1 rf @ >18 Kts, 2nd rf@>25 Kts). The twin engines make maneuvering a breeze, at least until you loose one such as when we had the port eng control panel go dark on us. The 39 we were told is not a great performer but we had several very pleasant days of sailing, 5.5 knots in 15 Kts wind close hauled. I did try to tack in 24 Kts wind….FAIL. Winds picked up after that and this is where I question the benefit of the Cat over the mono hull. In any YouTube video I've watched with a Cat, life on board looks so mellow and relaxed and perhaps this is because most long passages are planned as down wind runs. Our final leg was 40 NM on a beam reach in 27 G 32 Kt winds making about 6 Kts with both sails double reefed and seas coming from our 2 O'clock, it was a very bumpy, rolly ride requiring many items in the cabin to be secured, lots of slamming with waves frequently splashing up into the dingy on davits but only once into the cockpit. With every wave hitting us twice I had to wonder if the ride wouldn't have been better on the monohull. As always, there are compromises and perhaps this would just be one of them in exchange for having a small floating apartment. On most days with lighter air and smaller seas I thought the comfort level on the Cat was great, easy to move around on without the heeling. Even in the stronger wind/waves I didn't think it was particularly bad. My other concern would be moorage fees and finding dock space in the Med. I haven't sailed there (yet) but the impression I get is that it is a busy expensive place and it is not always easy to find space to tie up if so desired. Seems to me La Vagabond had a quote of E 600 for a one night stay someplace I think in Spain….they declined. I am really looking forward to your upcoming episodes as the Med is a place I am looking forward to exploring. Fair winds.

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